<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: On or Off? How Much Energy Does it Cost?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/</link> <description>Everyone, no matter how good you are, needs computer help every now and then. That&#039;s where Worldstart comes in.</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:16:33 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: K.Vee.Shanker.</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-106925</link> <dc:creator>K.Vee.Shanker.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-106925</guid> <description>Hi Robertpri,It is very nice of you to have shared so much with us, especially about detailed studies. As regards to fans(old models) at homes, I&#039;ve seen fans functioning for ages that were switched off more than once a day. May be, it depends on design and quality too.Probably, it is a bad idea to switch on &amp; off without complete cool off for the motor/gear. I&#039;m not sure either.As you say, it is difficult to generalize.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robertpri,</p><p>It is very nice of you to have shared so much with us, especially about detailed studies. As regards to fans(old models) at homes, I&#8217;ve seen fans functioning for ages that were switched off more than once a day. May be, it depends on design and quality too.Probably, it is a bad idea to switch on &amp; off without complete cool off for the motor/gear. I&#8217;m not sure either.As you say, it is difficult to generalize.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: robertpri</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-106010</link> <dc:creator>robertpri</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:10:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-106010</guid> <description>I should have mentioned that global airlines have reliability teams that do nothing but try to improve the longevity of everything from copy machines to 53,000 #fn Pratt &amp; Whitney engines. That is all these people did.  When you have thousands of devices, every dollar counts.I was on various aircraft Reliability Teams but had years of interface with the other teams. The Office Teams learned that the computers in Reservations, Cargo, Maintenance, and terminal counters that ran 24/7 lasted just as long, and some times longer, than office machines that were turned off every night.  But some didn&#039;t.After detailed studies by three major airlines, it was not conclusive either way. So, the issue became time and wasted energy.As noted, I use hibernation every night and have for some time. I like to resume where I left off the night before, and save the energy.But it&#039;s simply not a proven fact that switching off an electrically driven motor device every day will positively result in longer life.It might, or it might not. It&#039;s been debated for years.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have mentioned that global airlines have reliability teams that do nothing but try to improve the longevity of everything from copy machines to 53,000 #fn Pratt &amp; Whitney engines. That is all these people<br /> did.  When you have thousands of devices, every dollar counts.</p><p>I was on various aircraft Reliability Teams but had years of interface with the other teams. The Office Teams learned that the computers in<br /> Reservations, Cargo, Maintenance, and terminal counters that ran 24/7 lasted just as long, and some times longer, than office machines that were turned off every night.  But some didn&#8217;t.</p><p>After detailed studies by three major airlines, it was not conclusive<br /> either way. So, the issue became time and wasted energy.</p><p>As noted, I use hibernation every night and have for some time. I like to resume where I left off the night before, and save the energy.</p><p>But it&#8217;s simply not a proven fact that switching off an electrically driven motor device every day will positively result in longer life.</p><p>It might, or it might not. It&#8217;s been debated for years.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: robertpri</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-105998</link> <dc:creator>robertpri</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:35:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-105998</guid> <description>My wife bought the fans for several rooms here in hot Stockton for over 35 years.  Although not a scientific test, the ones that were shut down every night did not last as long. After a few seasons, those would not start again come summer. The ones she ran 24/7 would last several seasons. They were only switched on and off once a year.  I have an ohmmeter and verified the cost at less than a dollar a month. Saving the fans for additional years saved the cost of buying new ones too soon.And I would challenge the notion that switching a device off and on every day is less wear on mechanical devices.  Some yes, some no.This has been debated for years, and I have never found conclusive proof either way.  That said, I&#039;m retired from Trans World Airlines and they spent enormous time and effort studying this dilemma. We had thousands of mechanical devices around the world. This began when we left hanger lights on 24/7 and they lasted longer. This was confirmed by American Airlines and Pan American Airlines who followed our maintenance plan. Of course, this was due to heat, getting hotter and then colder caused the lights to fail early.The concept was then spread to hundreds of mechanical devices throughout the company world wide. Airlines do stick together, at least in those days. We exchanged maintenance records with the other airlines. After doing this for many years with thousands of devices, there was no conclusive proof either way.It seemed to vary with the device. So, some we left on 24/7, and some we turned off every day.Hard drives used to be have an MTBF of 100,000 hours. Not exactly a concern for any of us.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife bought the fans for several rooms here in hot Stockton for over 35 years.  Although not a scientific test, the ones that were shut down every night did not last as long. After a few seasons, those would not start again come summer. The ones she ran 24/7 would last several seasons. They were only switched on and off once a year.  I have an ohmmeter and verified the cost at less than a dollar a month. Saving the fans for additional years saved the cost of buying new ones too soon.</p><p>And I would challenge the notion that switching a device off and on every day is less wear on mechanical devices.  Some yes, some no.</p><p>This has been debated for years, and I have never found conclusive proof either way.  That said, I&#8217;m retired from Trans World Airlines and they spent enormous time and effort studying this dilemma. We had thousands of mechanical devices around the world. This began when we left hanger lights on 24/7 and they lasted longer. This was confirmed by American Airlines and Pan American Airlines who followed our maintenance plan. Of course, this was due to heat, getting hotter and then colder caused the lights to fail early.</p><p>The concept was then spread to hundreds of mechanical devices throughout the company world wide. Airlines do stick together, at least in those days. We exchanged maintenance records with the other airlines. After doing this for many years with thousands of devices, there was no conclusive proof either way.</p><p>It seemed to vary with the device. So, some we left on 24/7, and some we turned off every day.</p><p>Hard drives used to be have an MTBF of 100,000 hours. Not exactly a concern for any of us.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: K.Vee.Shanker.</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-105959</link> <dc:creator>K.Vee.Shanker.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:28:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-105959</guid> <description>Hi Robertpri,I&#039;m not sure how your wife has proven the extended longevity of fans through the non-stop operation. Any such theory needs extensive scientific study before conclusion. Additionally, what is the saving after power consumption? Until then, I&#039;ll go by the proven idea that any mechanical device is subject to wear and tear with use. Longer the use, more the wear. It even applies to electronic devices, which may be just passive displays. The other extreme is the disuse. Business/critical situations do go over economy for other important considerations. They are not to be generalized with normal uses.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robertpri,</p><p>I&#8217;m not sure how your wife has proven the extended longevity of fans through the non-stop operation. Any such theory needs extensive scientific study before conclusion. Additionally, what is the saving after power consumption? Until then, I&#8217;ll go by the proven idea that any mechanical device is subject to wear and tear with use. Longer the use, more the wear. It even applies to electronic devices, which may be just passive displays. The other extreme is the disuse. Business/critical situations do go over economy for other important considerations. They are not to be generalized with normal uses.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: robertpri</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-105950</link> <dc:creator>robertpri</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:57:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-105950</guid> <description>I agree with the tip. Hibernate is best if you want to resume where you left off. However, two things: with the rapidly increasing number of laptops, I would doubt if they consume 150 watts/hour. My high end Asus uses 80 at max. And towers would be a lot higher than 150, so perhaps the tip is using a sort of average.The second issue is one that my company has debated for years with no solution. Does keeping a motorized device [hard drives, fans, etc] running full time last longer than turning it off every day? And then endure the high mechanical demand of restarting and coming to speed?We found that it works both ways. We have thousands of motored devices, not just computers, and found some will last longer if allowed to run 24/7. Unfortunately, the tests were not conclusive.  We never did get an answer.[as a side note, I mentioned this to my wife who insists on running our room fans 24/7, only switching to low at night. She has proven to me they last longer]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the tip. Hibernate is best if you want to resume where you left off. However, two things: with the rapidly increasing number of laptops, I would doubt if they consume 150 watts/hour. My high end Asus uses 80 at max. And towers would be a lot higher than 150, so perhaps the tip is using a sort of average.</p><p>The second issue is one that my company has debated for years with no solution. Does keeping a motorized device [hard drives, fans, etc] running full time last longer than turning it off every day? And then endure the high mechanical demand of restarting and coming to speed?</p><p>We found that it works both ways. We have thousands of motored devices, not just computers, and found some will last longer if allowed to run 24/7. Unfortunately, the tests were not conclusive.  We never did get an answer.</p><p>[as a side note, I mentioned this to my wife who insists on running our room fans 24/7, only switching to low at night. She has proven to me they last longer]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ru</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-105443</link> <dc:creator>ru</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-105443</guid> <description>...you mean 150 watts PER HOUR, right?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;you mean 150 watts PER HOUR, right?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: andrew</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-104687</link> <dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 16:34:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-104687</guid> <description>Hey, Harold -Please write custserv@worldstart.com with any product questions!Have a great day!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Harold &#8211;</p><p>Please write <a href="mailto:custserv@worldstart.com">custserv@worldstart.com</a> with any product questions!</p><p>Have a great day!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Harold Robinson</title><link>http://www.worldstart.com/on-or-off-how-much-does-it-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-104367</link> <dc:creator>Harold Robinson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 21:44:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.worldstart.com/?p=24198#comment-104367</guid> <description>The Nextar GPS I just bought from Worldstart will not work. Tried to contact WWW.Nextar but they are no longe in business. Went to ask nextar tech, they wanted 24 to 40 dollars to answer question. Problem: Charged battery, when i turn it on, goes to first screen, (Navigator, Music, Photos, Setup). When I touch anything on screen, it cuts off. Turn off with switch on back, comes back on, but goes off when I touch screen. It will stay on as long as I don&#039;t touch screen. I tried wirh it connected to car, computer, and to nothing. Does the same. Can you tell me what the problem is and how to fix it or do I need to return it to Worldstart? Thanks Harold Robinson</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nextar GPS I just bought from Worldstart will not work. Tried to contact <a href="http://WWW.Nextar" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.Nextar</a> but they are no longe in business. Went to ask nextar tech, they wanted 24 to 40 dollars to answer question.<br /> Problem: Charged battery, when i turn it on, goes to first screen, (Navigator, Music, Photos, Setup). When I touch anything on screen, it cuts off. Turn off with switch on back, comes back on, but goes off when I touch screen.<br /> It will stay on as long as I don&#8217;t touch screen.<br /> I tried wirh it connected to car, computer, and to nothing. Does the same.<br /> Can you tell me what the problem is and how to fix it or do I need to return it to Worldstart?<br /> Thanks<br /> Harold Robinson</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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